FSAirlines

I use FlyNET to add to my enjoyment of MSFS so I really don't care what others do, but I am making this post so I'm not sure what that says.

Anyways, there is an airline that apparently uses multiple accounts (up to 5 presently) per flight. Needless to say they are making a considerable income. Unfortunately there are always those individuals that always feel the need to game the game whenever possible.

I believe this against the spirit of FlyNET's intention. I hope most agree. If anyone at FlyNET would like further details I would be happy to PM.

So I bet you’re speaking about the guys that fly the 6520nm flights using only 19536kg of fuel, can someone tell me how to do this, I burn more than that to climb to 32,000 feet.

WidowMaker wrote:So I bet you’re speaking about the guys that fly the 6520nm flights using only 19536kg of fuel, can someone tell me how to do this, I burn more than that to climb to 32,000 feet.

No, actually he/she has five different pilots that always fly the same route simultaneously:

same departure airport and time, same arrival airport and time, same plane, fuel cargo, etc...

Instead of flying a route and getting credit for that flight, they get 5X the credit by using 5 different pilots at the same time.

Kinda fly in maybe?

Jawaka wrote:

WidowMaker wrote:So I bet you’re speaking about the guys that fly the 6520nm flights using only 19536kg of fuel, can someone tell me how to do this, I burn more than that to climb to 32,000 feet.

No, actually he/she has five different pilots that always fly the same route simultaneously:

same departure airport and time, same arrival airport and time, same plane, fuel cargo, etc...

Instead of flying a route and getting credit for that flight, they get 5X the credit by using 5 different pilots at the same time.

I see what your saying (I think). Does not sound like fun to me. My post was mainly about the fuel, was thinking I was messing up due to the fact it was taking so much more for me to fly the same type flight than any one of those guys/gals. So I guess what your saying is with flying 5 flights simultaneously each pilot only uses 1/5 of the fuel for the entire flight.

Thanks for the clarification Jawaka, Man ole Man you can make 500 million dollars per flight like that. Oh well, not for me I am headed back to Russia to pick up on another leg of my around the world flight in my B1900D, now that’s fun, island hoping across the Atlantic was the best so far or was it the landing at zero visibility.

Thank You for your response to my question

I have been watching these guys too. I have sent a PM to a mod but no action has aparently been taken as of yet. The fuel usage is the tell tale sign.

This is a new one, and from what I can tell, certainly would make it possible to cheat the system.

Tricky little buggers.
The staff will be investigating this closely.

Well, I've looked hard at their history, and while they may be cheating on consumption, there is no proof that they're using "bots" or anything else. None of the times match exactly (although all of the arrival times are the same, the departure times and en-route times are slightly different), none had the exact same amount earned on the flight, and none burned the same amount of fuel, so there is no real way to prove anything other than they had 5 people fly 5 airplane on the same route with 5 different flight numbers (they have 5 YSSY - KLAX and 5 KLAX - YSSY flights in their system). We will contact them and chat with them about their less-than-honest practices, but they aren't so much cheating the system as abusing it.

They have several flights which burned the same exact amout of fuel. Thats what threw up a flag to me in the first place not to mention the small amount being used.Thanks for looking into this guys.

Does Block Fuel = the amount of fuel used on a flight?

CAPFlyer wrote:Well, I've looked hard at their history, and while they may be cheating on consumption, there is no proof that they're using "bots" or anything else. None of the times match exactly (although all of the arrival times are the same, the departure times and en-route times are slightly different), none had the exact same amount earned on the flight, and none burned the same amount of fuel, so there is no real way to prove anything other than they had 5 people fly 5 airplane on the same route with 5 different flight numbers (they have 5 YSSY - KLAX and 5 KLAX - YSSY flights in their system). We will contact them and chat with them about their less-than-honest practices, but they aren't so much cheating the system as abusing it.

Chris,

I know exactly what is going on here and it is a serious breach of trust and abuse of the system and a blatant cheat. I couldn't believe it and didn't think it was possible but it is. He may think he has been very clever but his greed is his downfall. I hope FlyNET takes swift and appropriate action.

Rgds

John

It appears its not limited to one company - some are bright enough to at least have fuel burns - the one I looked at tonight - named for Alaskans
commuter carrier has 5 flights and ALL with zero fuel burn - besides everything else I thought here was a moratorium of VAs using active RW airline names


Leif

Well, apparently everyone is going apes*** about my VA and please, feel free to say Caribe de Aviacion, there is no need to say "some airline" when you start to point fingers and make accusations. If you are to make accusations do so as a man.

First of all, Jawaka, multiple accounts means multiple people. Yes, there are some VAs that are not a "1 man show". If that's a sore subject for you, then perhaps Grady Airways should do an extensive ad campaing to increase their numbers, thus increasing flights, thus increasing revenue since you seem to be so hung up on the matter (there is a great saying in the business world referred to as the numbers game, it is SO true). Second, 5 different very real pilots, flying 5 different flights (might be the same route, but is there anything saying otherwise? I've searched, nowhere to be found) with 5 different purchased aircrafts. As these VAs are "not allowed" to be real world related (thus no real world routes/restrictions to be similar to actual world airlines) then I choose to have the flights/routes that I choose to have. As a "fictional" airline who's to say you can't have 100 of the same flights? 100 also means you need to have 100 of the same aircraft. While "investigating" your tantrum you should have noticed that they are not all the same. Some are freight, some are pax, again, my choice as a CEO, my 5 purchased aircrafts.

Flights are multiplayer flights over IBNet (using P2P), in addition to running "the client", and using an additional piece of software called Invitt Pro. So far I've treated my flights as charter venture. I'm in the process of making established routes, unless you don't "approve" of course. Is it o.k. with you to fly multiplayer, on the same network, and for the VA to have established routes? If not, please IM me ASAP! at least allow me the use of Invitt Pro, Jawaka, it costs me over $40/month for licensing!

As far as fuel usage, I have no idea. The aircraft is POSKY's 747-400. If there is a bug on "the client" when these flights are linked on multiplayer on the same network, then I don't know, I didn't design "the client", nor am I a programmer of any kind.

Dirty Dozen should not point fingers at any one. You guys have an obsession about being #1 on stats. Personally I don't care about "stats". If you haven't been #1 in ALL categories in a few days then fly more (the stats portion is what's tossing your cookie here).

Now on to another subject. The subject of "investigation". You can investigate all you want, I have nothing to hide, nor to be "ashamed of" (well...shame as seen through YOUR eyes). Now, there are "some" 1 man show airlines that are multibillionaires with 100's of aircrafts. How do 1 man show airlines get so huge. Some primarily don't fly, just lease aircrafts.

CaptFlyer, before you say "cheating on consumption" perhaps find the reason why. Like I said, the aircraft is from POSKY downloaded from avsim. I'm not European nor like the metric system. I use lbs. (last time I checked it was not breaking the law to dislike the metric system). I have not been contacted nor had a chat with you as stated in your post in reference to "less-than-honest practices". While that's your opinion, so be it I guess since there is a small little inner circle that is always concerned by what others do and like to make up their own rules as they go along. All I ask is the courtesy of letting me know the circle's intentions, please. I'm in the process of finishing the website and finalizing our setup. Let me know BEFORE I register a domain name (in case we do go somewhere else, or continue with FlyNET).

I'm 35 years of age (don't have time for these kiddie tantrums, I get that enough from MY OWN kids). I've been flying FS since the 98 version came out (probably before your time). I'm a real world pilot with a multi rating and have logged over 1,000 REAL hours (a little portion on small jets ). Its kind of funny having to "explain" myself to a bunch of teens with a lot of free time on their hands. If you'd like to know a little bit more about me I am a business owner (broker to be precise) with a lot of time to burn and no one telling me how much time I can spend in front of a computer. Most of my pilots are employees of mine (with the exception of 2). If the job gets done and sales are met, they can play "on the clock" all they want. If this is something that would interest you, and have a financial background (degree preferred) then get a NASD Series 7 & 63 or 66 stockbrokers license, a real estate license, move to southern California, set up an interview with me, and perhaps you too could "play while on the clock" (WARNING: This could lead to cheating accusations, proceed at your won risk).

Well, I'm done "explaining myself".

BTW Quantum a serious breach of trust and abuse of the system and a blatant cheat that's very mighty of you to say, but not uncommon to your part of the world (feeling all high and mighty and masters of the universe). According to you...."I know exactly what is going on here"....(in Mr. Ricardo's famous phrase) Esplain Lucy?

Ernie,

So, how do all those 'multiplayer flights' have exactly the same departure and arrival times as recorded by flight simulator and in your VA's flight reports? How do you explain how when one 'pilot' incurs a penalty, all the other pilots record exactly the same penalty.

John

John, did you not read the above post?

Apparently you have no idea what esplain Lucy means

BTW, if you wish to have a powow with me use IM, as stated by you before IM is your method of "investigating".