Client 5.0 serious problem

Ionathan · Post by **Ionathan** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:55 am

I just completed my first flight with client 5.0:

http://flynet.en-studios.de/index.php?l ... db&id=1765

Do you see what I mean by "serious problem"?

a. It seems that the aircraft (B744) is configured in the database to carry both full passegners and full cargo (as if it was cargo only) at the same time. The same error is done for almost every aircraft configured for mixed passengers and cargo transportation.

b. I believe tha 0.04v$ per mile per kilo price is too high. Here is why. Consider the same flight LGAV-KLAX (6051 miles) in terms fo income (not profit).
Full Passengers configuration would give 416x620=257.920v$. I have used 620 as it is just a bit higher than the standard price for the specific flight (consider my VA is at 120% rep. so that prices provides a full aircraft).
Now, let=s calculate Full Cargo (Cargo only and no passegners B744 Freighter). 0.04*6051*130.000=31.465.200.
There is an obvious lack of balance between passengers and cargo flights.

I admit there is a "bug" in statement (b) above as a B744 never carries only 416 passengers without any cargo but if you make the calculations for a mixed passegners and cargo flight you will see the lack of balance is obvious as well. I don't thing that 170 pounds of passenger is charged less than 170 pounds of cargo in real life. Correct me if I am wrong.

JJacobs · Post by **JJacobs** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:57 am

dont complain! your rich! lol

Ionathan · Post by **Ionathan** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:00 am

LOL!

But I have to spot something else as well. The summarized PIREP shows a flight income of 337 millions, the analytical PIREP shows a result after the 200x multiplier application of 5 billions and my budget and finances reflect an addition of 1 billion. Isn't it a bit of a mess?

JJacobs · Post by **JJacobs** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:16 am

i gotta do a flight fast!

JJacobs · Post by **JJacobs** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:35 am

ok i got a multiplier of 500, I think its a new function, I think bonuses should be directly to the pilot

BigQ · Post by **BigQ** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:07 am

I have experienced this as well myself, making 20 million according to the immediate pirep on the client, 10 million on the site and what seems to be 22 million on the finances department... That's the price of the plane i just flew!

CAPFlyer · Post by **CAPFlyer** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:23 pm

Well, most of it is a problem of how the aircraft were entered into the database. I'll go in and start re-looking at it, but we could use everyone's help re-doing the aircraft to ensure that the figures shown in the aircraft's data is for PASSENGER configuration (i.e. cargo capacity is what's in the lower holds, not for the freighter version). If it's not, put in an edit and we'll check it and approve it.

FsNovice · Post by **FsNovice** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:15 pm

I'm also having problems with the new client. It let me log in and that was ok. Then i went to book a flight. I entered the fuel and then it got a screen that said error had occured. I have all the .out files in the folder if these will be of any help. When i log in again to try and get it to work it says: No booked flight found; conection to database unstable. all my aircraft are unbooked.

BigQ · Post by **BigQ** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:51 pm

FsNovice: This happens quite frequently, unfortunately, so please just keep on trying again.

All others about the cargo and pax bug: Has anyone else had this problem? From talking to fellow flynet pilots, Ionathan and myself seem to be the only two that this bug affected, and I believe the blame can be put on the fact that both of us had booked flights before the introduction of the new client i.e. we downloaded the client after booking our flight...

At least, that's what i did...

I also have been victim of the client crashing on me twice last night, when the client had been running for about 50 min-1 hour straight... Flying at 2x helped me after the first crash.

FsNovice · Post by **FsNovice** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:21 pm

[quote="BigQ"]FsNovice: This happens quite frequently, unfortunately, so please just keep on trying again.
yeah. did that and now it works. Thanks.
quote]

CAPFlyer · Post by **CAPFlyer** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:14 pm

Okay...

Back to the original issue -

The B747-400 entry has been updated for the correct cargo capacity. All future flights will be calculated correctly for that aircraft.

HOWEVER, I have not started going through the database to modify other aircraft other than the batch that I originally did at the beginning of the updates.

This means that none of the othe Boeing aircraft data or McDonnell Douglas aircraft data has been updated to my knowledge. I will check them either later tonight (my time) or in the morning and try to work through as much of the database as possible.

Ionathan · Post by **Ionathan** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:42 pm

CAPFlyer wrote:The B747-400 entry has been updated for the correct cargo capacity. All future flights will be calculated correctly for that aircraft.

This is not enough. Part of the problem was the aircraft's configuration but there is still problem with the client. Have a look at my PIREP.

We have Passengers income 416*620=257.920.

Subtract Fuel price and Catering Cost and we have 257.920 - 110.129 - 2080 = 145.711

Then we have Cargo. Updated cargo weight of 47.627Kg for a flight of 6015 miles against 0.04 per Kg per mile and we have:
0.04*6.015*47.627 = 11.459.056

Add passengers and cargo profit: 145.711 + 11.459.056 = 11.459.201

No bonus as I used 16x time compression but multiplier 200x and we have>

Final = 11.459.201*200 = 2.291.840.382. Impossible!

In fact it is more than obvious since the cargo derived profit is much bigger than the passengers derived one which implies a huge lack of balance.

In addition, even if I flew the above flight, which would bring me a profit of 2.39 billions, FlyNet would, for some unknown reason, divide the result by 5. I don't know why but this is what it did with my last flight which calculated a profit of 5 billions but eventually my VA got only 1 billion.

Therefore it seems there are more problems and not just in the database.

CAPFlyer · Post by **CAPFlyer** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:34 am

Well, if you go back to my pricing post for the Cargo system, it's in line with what I posted.

But then again, let's run the real numbers for weights -

The 747-400 in FlyNET holds 416 passengers. Thus:

Passengers = 32,864kg (416*79kg/pax)
Baggage = 6240kg (416*15kg/pax per Konny's note in the Cargo System thread)
Cargo = 47,627kg
Total = 86,731kg
Aircraft's Empty Weight = 180,755kg

Thus, the arcraft's Zero Fuel Weight is 267,486.

Maximum Takeoff Weight is 385,555kg.

That means that you now have 118,069kg of fuel (or ~260,297lbs for fuel).

Okay... something's wrong with this picture.

I'll do a little digging and get back to you on this, but you shouldn't have that much leftover weight.

CAPFlyer · Post by **CAPFlyer** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:45 am

Okay.

Here's where the whole thing goes wrong for the current system -

Maximum Zero Fuel Weight.

The aircraft's maximum Zero Fuel Weight is 242,672kg.

That means you're 24,814kg overweight. Thus, your maximum cargo to carry can't exceed 22,813kg with a full load of passengers.

Konny, when you read this - I think you need to impliment MZFW (Max Zero Fuel Weight) into the database entries for these aircraft. If you don't, we'll have further problems.

Also, I would agree that maybe reducing the rate per-mile for cargo to $0.02/km might be in order if the payload's going to generate that much money.

Post by **cmdrnmartin** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:12 am

CAPFlyer wrote:Okay.

Here's where the whole thing goes wrong for the current system -

Maximum Zero Fuel Weight.

The aircraft's maximum Zero Fuel Weight is 242,672kg.

That means you're 24,814kg overweight. Thus, your maximum cargo to carry can't exceed 22,813kg with a full load of passengers.

Konny, when you read this - I think you need to impliment MZFW (Max Zero Fuel Weight) into the database entries for these aircraft. If you don't, we'll have further problems.

Also, I would agree that maybe reducing the rate per-mile for cargo to $0.02/km might be in order if the payload's going to generate that much money.

I agree wholeheartedly with that.