Windfall

pahisjon2 · Post by **pahisjon2** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:00 am

It's only this one site which works with the new system at the moment."

I assume that this might also explain the sudden and abrupt change in the airlines' order by value since yesterday 25/02, where a certain airline's value shows an increase of appox. 2.000.000.000v$, bringing her at the first place. Is my assumption correct?

Post by **cmdrnmartin** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:32 am

pahisjon, you don't have to use euphemisms, im not going to swat you for doing that

I noticed Wardair's jump, now about 500 000 of this is because of leases that ended (when you lease, your airlines value goes down, since technically, you dont own the aircraft). I've flown a boatload of flights recently (8% total pax to 15% total pax) and this accounts for another large chunk of cash for the company. I do see the discrepancy, but, I assure you, I can not tamper with the database.

Maybe it's a database issue again, I see you crashed a flight, yet your reputation is still at 120

It's supposed to give you a hit of at least 10 rep points. Odd.

And as for the positions, well, Ionathan and Wardair juggle for top spot all the time. With your pilot load, and higher flight departures, youll be back on top in no-time, so no worries mate

Ionathan · Post by **Ionathan** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:15 am

Justin, a fact does not need emphassising and a jump of 3 billion v$ cannot be a result of leasings and flying within 2 days. Sorry my friend. No way. I don't know why you got the idea it is a comment against you (if you have that idea at all). All my pilots said was it is something wrong with the new finance system and I agree with him, not an accusation against you even if your VA was especially benefited by this error. As it concerns who is on top, believe me, none of us (me and my pilots) care about it. It is not about being first, it is about farplay. I hope it is clear now. After all the initial comment from my pilot was addressed to Konny, as he is the only person in here, able to explain this.

Post by **cmdrnmartin** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:22 am

Don't think Im accusing you Ion, I'm not. But the wording, the removal of Wardairs name and allusion to it, I took to mean there was foul play on my part.

But yes, bugs in the finance system need to be addressed (although, I will humbly submit that I didnt really mind having a bit more money...)

I also know the databse has an issue with the B773 and B773ER, some of my ERs are valued at 773 prices, the others at the correct 220million prices. There are other inconsistencies as well, such as when the price of an aircraft is edited by konny, all the new purch aircraft will have that price, but older previously purchased aircraft will have the old price still (Take a look at Wardairs F50s, one of them is the old 23 million, the others, the correct 17.5 million. Not to mention that reputation thing, where some airlines (not just yours) are all over the board.

Regardless, no attack on you, or on your other pilots

Ionathan · Post by **Ionathan** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:28 am

Justin, you replied to the worng person. The last message was by Nikos and not Jon. But anyway. In any case we either ask Konny to correct the jump as I don't see what is the intereset in a financial system which is totally unpredicatble. The other issues you mention (wrong aircraft prices etc.) do exist but are just minor ones in comparison to what we are discussing about here and of course out of topic. Thus I consider the reference to them out of target in this thread.

pahisjon2 · Post by **pahisjon2** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:30 am

Hello,
First of all: I did not want to be offensive to anybody; if I managed to do so, I am really sorry and... well English is not my mother tonque!
Secondly, I also dothink that both the lack of falling in my company's reputation and a part of the skip of Wardair's value have to do with a technical issue. I expect some discrepancies with the past when such code changes occur; it is just that this was a really big one and draw my attention!

Regarding the crash (I always wanted to say this) yes! I am able to crash an airliner myself! (and B747 proves I do it with style!). My mind goes to a technical (database? code?) issue for two reasons:
1) The PIREP is there, meaning that the flight has been accounted for (I also got a financial penalty for this).
2) Immediately after the crash (normally) I checked my airline's statistic and had seen the falling in the reputation. It was after some time (and a PM by my CEO who has been informed for the incident) that I saw the reputation back to 120.

As for the positions... well competition helps keep the interest I suppose

Otherwise we would be flying alone in our PCs.. but I have done this rather a lot for me. It is FLYNET that put me to simulator again, after a long period (I jumped from fs2k to fs2k4 and I had fs2k2 but I did never install because I didn't want to fly at all)! after all it is only a hobby (unfortunately for me)

Ionathan · Post by **Ionathan** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:35 am

Guys, guys. I appreciate your will to clarify things but let's stick to the subject of the thread: The serious bug casued by the finance system and was expressed with that jump. I say "SERIOUS" as I don't know which airline will appear tommorrow, all of a sudden with 2, 5, 10 billion v$ come up as of a magic hat. So this is our issue here. Being a real life IT specialist I understand a system will always have database problems but in order to keep this system convenient, these error must be corrected. This is all we say here.

As it concerns the crash, I don't care and I ask Konny to set my rep to 102 as it would have been after a crash. We know well how to recover from a crash. It's what we do all this time: flying, flying and some flying.

Post by **cmdrnmartin** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:09 am

I am able to crash an airliner myself!

That made me laugh really hard!

First of all: I did not want to be offensive to anybody; if I managed to do so, I am really sorry and... well English is not my mother tonque!

I can understand that, I respect the difficulties you have to go through to write as well as you do on these forums, and believe me, i can forgive easily if some of the nuances of the language are missed by you, for I too, am not a native english speaker. My mother tongue is French (la belle Langue). But thats besides the point, misunderstandings happen all the time, but on a technical issue, dont ever be afraid to write: Wardairs money increased by 2~3billion. Dont write "some airline" because its hard for Konny to know immediatly what your talking about.

Ionathan:

The other issues you mention (wrong aircraft prices etc.) do exist but are just minor ones in comparison to what we are discussing about here and of course out of topic.

I'll disagree, all database issues have equal wieght, if my reputation skips to 0, thats a big problem, so we have to isolate why yours skipped as well as my finances. If planes that have the wrong codes (like the b773s) start shifting, then someone who payed for the range, might not get it, and again, thats a serious issue.

Anyways, i've moved this to bugs and problems for now, as that is waht it appears to be. I've been looking over all the other airlines, for a jump in value, but maybe I missed something, Ionathan , can you help me with that? If its based on a percentage increase, then I suppose the increase was on the order of 15% or something. Anyways, just have a look at every VA on FLYnet, and double check to make sure I havnt missed anyone.

Cheers,

Ionathan · Post by **Ionathan** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:24 am

It is not a precentage increase which affected all airlines. For example Ionathan Airlines was at about 6.7 billions 3 days ago and with the recent flights I don't remember the exact figure we are at 7.2 billions. If we have an increase it is very small. Wardair was the "shouting error" example being at 3 billiong 3 days ago and now at 7.5 with in termediate flights, I calculated to a 500-800 millions. I ma not sure about other airlines as htey seems to be in more or less to what they used to be, at least those 3-4 I frequently monitor. So, it is not a fixed percentage of increase. The only solutino would be to check the logs. It should not be difficult with SQL querrying the database.

Post by **cmdrnmartin** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:37 am

I was at 3.9 billion, so with my other flights, 5 billion, Leases, 5.5 I;d say, but thats besides the point, I was looking for other airlines which got a percentage increase, not saying that all got it, in fact I know all didnt, but some might have, especially the smaller ones where it might only have been on the order of 5 million extra or so. Those are what we have to look for.

Remeber the overflow problem your airline had? I dont think that would be the problem here, but there might have been a flight report, or aircraft sale that got out of whack somehow.

As well, i've been thinking about this, what is there to prevent an airline from being formed, purchasing an aircraft from another airline, and then simply stopping operations? ie someone using more than one account, to make 25 million at a time, per each new airline they formed and used the exploit on. Im guessing theres some safeguards, but its another thing to think about while were on the subject of finances/databases.

Ionathan · Post by **Ionathan** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:49 am

Could be 5.5. A database querry would answer.

Post by **cmdrnmartin** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:35 am

Ionathan wrote:Could be 5.5. A database querry would answer.

But as you said, thats not the real issue here, rather, why it happened, not what it was before.

Anyways, I'm sure it will be all sorted out eventually, and provided the database is stable, we'll be ok. The client seems to be running great, but I would like to have those new features (fuel insufiicient = Pilot rating loss, and Partnerships) activated in it soon. but thats another topic for another time.

Ionathan · Post by **Ionathan** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:50 am

Exactly, the previous situation is not an issue but it can show the size of the jump when compared to the current situation.