Problem with A380

gehatz · Post by **gehatz** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:43 am

Hello there,

We are having serious financial losses when using the A380 for our flights at Global Airlines. We leased an A380 a few days ago and so far we have conducted 3 flights with this aircraft, resulting in a massive - 131.683.000 v$ loss.

In more detail the first flight was from Birmingham Intl to New Jork JFK:

Distance: 2932nm
Duration: 08:15 (8.3h)
Block Fuel: 136076 kg
Income from tickets: PAX (525) x Ticketprice (313v$) 164.325v$
Fuel costs: Fuelprice (1.64v$) x 1.234 x Fuel bought (136076kg ) -275.385v$
Crew & catering costs: -2.625v$
Cargo income: 0.06v$/100nm x Distance (2932nm) x Cargo (22906kg ) 39.647v$
Bonus 0v$
Pilot salary: Airline Income x Pilot salary percentage 0v$
Gross profit: -74.038v$
x Multiplier (500) -37.019.000v$

Flight 2: KJFK-EGBB

Distance: 2932nm
Duration: 06:46 (6.8h)
Block Fuel: 140000 kg
Income from tickets: PAX (525) x Ticketprice (313v$) 164.325v$
Fuel costs: Fuelprice (1.35v$) x 1.234 x Fuel bought (140000kg ) -233.226v$
Crew & catering costs: -2.625v$
Cargo income: 0.06v$/100nm x Distance (2932nm) x Cargo (22906kg ) 39.647v$
Bonus 0v$
Pilot salary: Airline Income x Pilot salary percentage 0v$
Gross profit: -31.879v$
x Multiplier (500) -15.939.500v$

Flight 3: EGBB-KLAX

Distance: 4660nm
Duration: 11:50 (11.8h)
Block Fuel: 192353 kg
Income from tickets: PAX (525) x Ticketprice (481v$) 252.525v$
Fuel costs: Fuelprice (1.64v$) x 1.234 x Fuel bought (226796kg ) -458.981v$
Crew & catering costs: -2.625v$
Cargo income: 0.05v$/100nm x Distance (4660nm) x Cargo (22906kg ) 51.631v$
Bonus 0v$
Pilot salary: Airline Income x Pilot salary percentage 0v$
Gross profit: -157.449v$
x Multiplier (500) -78.724.500v$

The ticket prices for all flights are the standard flynet prices for those routes. The fuel inside the aircraft before each flight is 0kg and for the firt two flights, block fuel = fuel purchased. The third flight to KLAX was conducted to see if the EGBB-KJFK route was too short for an A380 to yield a profit. The EGBB-KJFk and EGBB-KLAX flights were done on a freeware FSX A380 and the KJFK-EGBB flight was done on the PSS A380.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

George

flightsimer · Post by **flightsimer** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:37 am

um can u give a download link for the a/c? its because u are having to refuel at the begining of every flight, but when the flights ends, is there fuel still left showing in FS? if so then that sounds like a client or site problem.

Post by **joefremont** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:21 am

Your fuel usage seams really high, your first two flights your block fuel and fuel bought are identical, are you flying with unlimited fuel??? Plus you are buying fuel at an airport that charges alot.

gehatz · Post by **gehatz** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:52 am

There is no download link for the PSS A380 because it is payware, however, in the first two flights there was no fuel left in the tanks. No I'm not flying with unlimited fuel. At both flights I ran out of fuel shortly after touchdown. So I guess that it is the aircraft i'm using then? Does anyone have a freeware model that you use?

thanks

Stan · Post by **Stan** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:16 am

Well i use the Robert Versluy version and can do a 8000 mile trip with a block fuel of 180,000KG.Available on avsim file (a380_800_2005a.zip) and panel (a380_fs9.zip.zip).I know it has got two zips in the title but that is what it is called.

Post by **Quantum** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:49 pm

What altitude are you cruising at ? You will use less fuel at a higher cruise flight level.

Rgds

John

Brittishia · Post by **Brittishia** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:50 pm

Hi

I did those flights i was flying at FL370

I did the return flight from los angelys and i made a prophet, i gather the fuel costs to much at Birmingham

CAPFlyer · Post by **CAPFlyer** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:24 pm

For a long flight like that 370 is probably too high to start. You should probably start around 330 and then step climb to 370 as you burn off fuel. That should help your fuel consumption quite a bit.

Brittishia · Post by **Brittishia** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:25 pm

ok thank you, i will try that on my next flight

tjbaughn · Post by **tjbaughn** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:54 pm

I have found that the 380-800 flys best at 35,000 feet and air speed of 250-260 when I fly it faster like the B747's it uses a lot of fuel.

flightsimer · Post by **flightsimer** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:47 am

gehatz wrote:There is no download link for the PSS A380 because it is payware, however, in the first two flights there was no fuel left in the tanks. No I'm not flying with unlimited fuel. At both flights I ran out of fuel shortly after touchdown. So I guess that it is the aircraft i'm using then? Does anyone have a freeware model that you use?

thanks

a download link to the site, not the plane...

Post by **Quantum** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:34 pm

Brittishia wrote:Hi

I did those flights i was flying at FL370

I did the return flight from los angelys and i made a prophet, i gather the fuel costs to much at Birmingham

Could you kindly ask him what this week's winning lottery numbers are and send me a PM with them please

Rgds

John

tjbaughn · Post by **tjbaughn** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:49 pm

Quantum wrote:
Brittishia wrote:Hi

I did those flights i was flying at FL370

I did the return flight from los angelys and i made a prophet, i gather the fuel costs to much at Birmingham
Could you kindly ask him what this week's winning lottery numbers are and send me a PM with them please

Rgds

John

Is he Saying he is " Psychic "

Brittishia · Post by **Brittishia** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:31 pm

I'm taking the lottery numbers for myself