250 Knot Speed Punishment is Annoying at Heavy weather!!!

[Tekin]

I have lost 5% of Pilot rating because my aircraft crossed 250 kts for a second. I had heavy wind and there was nothing I could do. Is it possible to get my 5% back???? Or next time don't make the client read the INDICATED, because that info is coming from the pitot and may differ in heavy weathers. Check the GS or TAS...

[Fess]

Dude, You don't want the client reading Ground Speed (GS) or True Air Speed (TAS) to gig you on the 250kts rule. If you are flying along at 9000ft with a strong tail wind, say 30-40 knots, and your indicated airspeed IAS is 240kts. Your GS would be 270kts to 280kts and probably higher when you figure in TAS. TAS is determined by the air density and is typically higher than IAS as you ascend into less dense air. TAS will equal GS in flight with no wind.

If you got a big gust and the client gigged you then maybe the client needs a little tweak. Maybe a 30 to 45 second time interval to allow the pilot to fix the speed situation.

[vaccaro]

to avoid penalty, I usually fly at around 230 - 240 KIAS

[CAPFlyer]

I have lost 5% of Pilot rating because my aircraft crossed 250 kts for a second. I had heavy wind and there was nothing I could do. Is it possible to get my 5% back???? Or next time don't make the client read the INDICATED, because that info is coming from the pitot and may differ in heavy weathers. Check the GS or TAS...

First, no you can't get your 5% back. You made the error, so you get the penalty. In heavy weather, you shouldn't be doing 250 knots anyway. Turbulence speed for most jet airliners is around 220 knots IAS. If you were flying in heavy weather at anything close to 250, then you (in real life at least) were risking damage to your plane and injury to your passengers.

As for it reading indicated, the 250 knot speed limit in all cases is IAS (this is a real-world restriction even though the altitude varies by country, and even airport, and can be waived in some cases by ATC). To base the penalty off of anything other than IAS would be to make the penalty an arbitrary one, not one with a purpose as it is now.

[Tekin]

First of all it crossed 250 knots by 60 knots = 310 knots, so even if I went at 220 kias, it would've gone to 280. It raises and drops, even to 0 KIAS.

[vknierim]

First of all it crossed 250 knots by 60 knots = 310 knots, so even if I went at 220 kias, it would've gone to 280. It raises and drops, even to 0 KIAS.

You must have been experiencing very bad weather! But I don't think that the KIAS dropped all the way to 0kts, because in this case your plane would have fallen out of the sky like a stone....

I do not know how overspeeding due to turbulence is handled in the real world by ATC, but I would think the pilot would not be penalized if he/she was going to fast for a short time period (a couple of seconds).

It has been proposed before (see for example this thread), but I would support a change to the client in the way that overspeeding is only penalized after it happens for a couple of seconds (say 10 - 20). This would give the pilots some time to adjust the speed in heavy turbulence conditions to avoid a penalty.

Volker

[CAPFlyer]

If you were getting 60 knot deviations, then I would suggest that maybe the smart move would have been to make a 180 degree turn and find another way. Anything that serious would have been avoided in the real world. As it is, the system gives a 10 knot "grace", and I think that is usually enough to not get the penalty.

[WidowMaker]

If you were getting 60 knot deviations, then I would suggest that maybe the smart move would have been to make a 180 degree turn and find another way. Anything that serious would have been avoided in the real world. As it is, the system gives a 10 knot "grace", and I think that is usually enough to not get the penalty.

Yepper in real life I would have not tried landing there, but on Flynet land anywhere else and it is a 35 pointer for landing at wrong airport.

Maybe we can all learn something from CAPFlyer here, fly like its real life and not a game.

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